Although they’re only on show #6 SocializingMedia has already had guests like George Neil, formerly of Apple and Motorola, now the CMO of Brunswick. Upcoming shows will feature thought leaders like Dawn Lacallade, formerly at Dell and now the Community Manager at Solar Winds.
I scheduled Steve’s interview to fall around the same time as Ant’s Eye View because seeing companies like ComBlu, Ant’s Eye View and Brains on Fire crop up next to one another you begin to realize the impact and scope that community engagement and consumer involvement has had on marketing today. The rules have changed and companies like ComBlu are early adopters in helping companies adapt to that change.
ComBlu’s specialty is creating community-based Word of Mouth programs by identifying customer evangelists and influencers, activating them (so they) impact loyalty and affinity and measuring that impact on sales, reputation or mission. ComBlu is all about ROI. The company has built and manages over 25 communities in 20 languages with over six million members.
What was the “aha” moment when you realized, “Our company needs to be doing things differently than we have been?”
About 7-8 years ago, we realized that there was a perfect storm that would be the catalyst for the way people sought information:
- Installed technology base and the emergence of social networkinng.
- Communications overload making it more appealing for people to ask their own trusted resources rather than search for information.
- The breakdown of trust in established institutions and channels; again a stimulus for people turning to each other for information instead of traditional sources.
This perfect storm was our “aha” moment. We knew we had methodologies to identify people with large social networks and who had a high level of influence within them. Because it was based on behaviors rather than traditional demographics, we realized we had lightning in a bottle. If our methodologies were properly applied, we could help companies find their best advocates and activate them as a powerful influence channel. We were way ahead of the marketplace, though.
What books are on your nightstand or great blogs on your Google reader?
- The Anatomy of Buzz Revisited by Emanuel Rosen, an update of a WOM classic
- All Consumers Are Not Created Equal by Garth Hallberg
- Guy Kawasaki: Short and sweet tidbits
- TechCrunch: A futurist’s playground
- Mashable: A quick overview of tools and techniques
- Web Strategy: Jeremiah Owyang blog—great insights into where social marketing is heading
- Groundswell: Forrester blog…lots of good stuff
- Conversation Agent: Interesting, longer pieces on a variety of content and conversation marketing topics
- Social Media Today: Good bullshit detector
Give me an example of marketing you think is brilliant and why.
- Liberty Mutual had done a great job. They started their “Do the Right Thing” positioning a few years ago and have evolved it now to include the Responsibility Project, which is a community that delves into ethics and societal behaviors. Quite interesting.
- Walmart’s current ad campaign is visually great and has highly resonant messaging for today’s economic times.
- UPS has a very engaging white board campaign and integrates it with online.
- Ford Fiesta has good integration of social and traditional media.
We’ve all read that the pitch/RFP process is broken. Many agencies aren’t even interested in competing in pitches. Do you see an alternative to this process?
Don’t wait until you need an agency to find one. Instead, build a community of really smart people who are your “advisory board.”
-Look to them for ideas and collaboration.
-“Cut” those who are territorial or afraid of offering up ideas because their competition might hear them. That does not cut it in today’s age of transparency and social collaboration. These people are more concerned with getting the largest share of the marketing wallet and not being part of a team focused on results and innovation.
When you need a specific project or ongoing counsel, build your own team from your community. An RFP is just a call to buy an existing team. Instead build a team of the best and the brightest who are equipped to collaborate. Match the team to the skills needed for the program.
What does the agency of the future look like?
McKinsey meets boutique:
Business acumen with executional excellence and agility.
Build shareholder value with measurable and sustainable results.
Bring influential stakeholders to the company; don’t bring the company to the marketplace.
Help companies socialize their workforce, their products and their stakeholder interactions across three nodes: Feedback, advocacy and support.
What do marketers need that agencies are not giving them?
A dashboard with teeth
Advocate activation
Customer engagement
Who do you admire and why?
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StrawberryFrog landed on the scene in 1999 making an immediate splash. I’ll try to avoid the frog puns but that one literally jumped out. (ooops.) If you were in the biz in the late 90s, they were constantly hopping across your field of vision-this upstart that couldn’t be ignored.
Seemed everyone was intrigued with Strawberry Frog. Here was a small shop taking on the biggest agencies, getting in front of major clients and winning. They inspired those of us in small shops because they represented a shift in the way the business had always been done. StrawberryFrog was proof that strategically sound creative and spot on execution could win without all the layers of the Madison Avenue giants. Ten years later this New York-based global advertising agency is still independent and employee-owned, which says a lot about founders, Scott Goodson and Karin Drakenberg’s vision and StrwaberryFrog’s place in the world.
Others outside advertising have also recognized that vision: The Wall Street Journal selected Karin Drakenberg, cofounder and COO, as one of the 25 best women leaders to watch. The New York Times, Business Week and CNN have heaped prasie on the Frog as well.
Remembering the early days Scott Goodson told me how “StrawberryFrog put on some of the world’s most iconic brands besting some of the most respected and established agencies in the process such as BBDO Worldwide, McCann Worldwide, Fallon London, and Widen & Kennedy for the global Heineken brand.
“StrawberryFrog attracted challenger brands naturally because of the agency’s positioning. But then we started to win other kinds of brands, those that were famous and needed strategic excellence and re energizing to a new consumer base. From these diverse clients the agency quickly grew into a credible micro agency for brands looking for an elite agile partner to take on huge account globally with a very different business model.”
StrawberryFrog not only executed major campaigns across Europe using an innovative lighthouse agency model, with small customized teams across the continent, it also developed strategy, communications planning, and multi-disciplined creative for over 150 markets worldwide. Nothing like this had ever been seen outside of a holding company solution. This was new ground. The Frog way.”
StrawberryFrog’s competitive edge is Cultural Movements. They believe a brand can identify, crystallize, curate and lead a Cultural Movement that people want to belong to. Cultural Movements activate the customer base, not just broadcast to them, a strategy that has proved prophetic with the rise of social media.
Scott’s great at writing like he’s having a conversation and not a rote interview. I want these profiles to feel like you’re sitting in a coffee shop having a discussion. So settle in–this is a 2 venti chat with a bathroom break in between. Scott’s got a lot to say about the Frog, and for good reason.
1. What was the aha moment when you realized “our company needs to be doing things differently than we have been”?
It was February 14th, Valentine’s Day 1999. That is when we founded StrawberryFrog – an agency that combines the power and scale of the big with the spirit of the small to create a faster, more innovative, more agile brand of agency.
The very next day we started working with our first client: the Smart Car. I decided to start the agency in Amsterdam because of close proximity to clients I had previously worked with from Sweden. From early leaps, we went on to work with Heineken globally, Microsoft and, a few days short of our tenth anniversary, we launched Frito Lay’s TrueNorth brand as one of the primary sponsors of the 2009 Academy Awards.
The ‘aha’ moment behind StrawberryFrog happened years before 1999. We had seen the opportunity for a new kind of global advertising agency from our perch in Stockholm, Sweden, where Karin and I (co-founders of StrawberryFrog) had spent most of our advertising careers. In Sweden, brands were ideological movements, not merely ad campaigns. IKEA, Diesel, Absolut, and Volvo are examples of brands that succeeded in creating fanatical followings, developed by agencies in Sweden, but travelling far beyond Sweden. Consumers not only bought products, they joined the brand and wanted a relationship that made them feel better about themselves every time they met it.
In Sweden, huge Swedish multinationals actually preferred highly strategic and creative independent agencies vs. the huge network agencies. I began my career working on Ericsson, travelling around the world to launch their brand. I found that our clients wanted a more intimate relationship with their agency and preferred customizing a highly focused, agile team of smart people around their brands who could carry it to consumers in any country. This was a massive eye opening experience for me. Before that, I thought the only way to do global advertising was by working with a huge corporate advertising agency network with offices in every country.
My experience in Sweden taught me that you could build global brands without a network. That a new kind of agency could do what huge clients need and want, but could do it differently-more effectively and more efficiently. You had to because Swedish clients didn’t have the budgets of their American or British counterparts-this was a learning experience and created phenomenal confidence. In Sweden, a country that literally legalized TV advertising in the late 80s, you did not have 60 years of how advertising was done as a legacy for how advertising had to be done. And this freedom created in me huge dreams about where the industry could go.
“Ok, ok,” you say, “enough about Sweden.” I’ll get off it in a moment. But the point is that the Swedish experiment worked. It convinced me that you can steward a huge brand without the infrastructure of a huge traditional agency. My experience co-owning an advertising agency in Sweden laid the foundation for what was to become StrawberryFrog. In Sweden, we developed campaigns for Swedish multinational brands; after a few years, we started to work internationally for Finnish clients, then German clients and then Swiss, British and US clients. But doing it from Sweden was an obstacle for many of the global clients Karin and I wanted to work on. After ten years in Swedish advertising, we were developing loftier goals, a higher level of confidence, more clarity around what we wanted to do in this industry, and who we wanted to be when we grew up: A Frog.
It’s fun to remember those days as I sit at my desk here in New York, but StrawberryFrog was born as a tadpole of this experience. From the outside it may seem difficult, crazy even, to think of building a new agency, modeled from the beginning to take on major brands with scale, but frankly, it wasn’t. StrawberryFrog was a company that I enjoyed getting up in the morning and going to work for.
During the past ten years, we have had our highs and our lows, and we have learned a great deal from the process. Today we have clarity, a select group of the very best clients, and a world class management made up of Kevin McKeon (who launched and stewarded Johnny Walker’s Keep Walking, Axe,ING,and Virgin Airways), Ilana Bryant (of Smirnoff, Levis fame), Chip Walker (who stewarded Starbucks, Wrigley’s ad Jim Beam), Heather Fullerton (who stewarded Sony Ericsson, Nokia & Ikea) and Ramesh Rajan, the former CFO of Mcaan World Group and our recent addition of Sophie Kelly (who previously lead the global Diageo Smirnoff, Bailey’s and Cuervo brands as well as having been on the relaunch of JetBlue) to our management team, as well as Peralta, Jiro and Patricia in Brazil, a more purposeful, focused manner about the firm.
Over the years, clients came to StrawberryFrog for strategic and creative excellence. As we grew, StrawberryFrog attracted larger and more disciplined clients. These clients taught us the importance of processes and systems that enabled us to scale brands.
2. What books are on your nightstand or great blogs on your Google reader?
- Imagining India.
- I am an avid fan of David Wiggs (aww gee)
- I also peruse the likes of my friend Guy Kawasaki
- Fred Wilson
- If you’re a student of advertising, I’d suggest Dino “Chroma” up in Toronto
- and the Hidden Persuader (probably the best blog for any student of advertising)
- For entertainment, integrity and inspiration I like http://meltingpotfamily.blogspot.com/
3. Give me an example of marketing you think is brilliant and why.
My wife came up with a brilliant idea on Earth Day to convince the entire town of Bronxville to walk, rather than drive, their kids to school. This got almost 100% results.
In the industry, many of the brands I have mentioned above are good examples. I like very much what Geico is doing in the insurance category. It has taken a rather serious business and made it accessible and fun. The ads are always fresh, never dull. I also love the work StrawberryFrog has done for Quaker in Latin America. That’s a BRILLIANT idea – love that – setting the appointments 20 years ahead. The New York Times and Adweek, both cited our campaign for TrueNorth snacks as the best advertising during the Oscars.
Word of mouth remains the most powerful source of marketing and whoever is behind the marketing of the Bakugans toys is a genius.
4. We’ve all read that the pitch / RFP process is broken. Many agencies aren’t even interested in competing in pitches. Do you see an alternative to this process?
StrawberryFrog’s management decides to pitch a very select number of clients each year, Instead, we prefer to take on assignments to get to know the clients. Over time these assignments either take root and grow into strong, mutually beneficial relationships, or they do not. They more often do.
When we opened our New York office, we were immediately asked to pitch the Harris Direct account against BBH, Hill Holiday and TBWA. To our surprise we won the pitch. We were then asked to take on a series of other pitches, such as the MINI USA pitch which we lost, then the Wal-Mart Sam’s Club pitch which we won, and then the massive $650MM Hyundai US pitch, which we lost to Goodby.
After a few big pitches under our belt, we decided to take the foot off the pedal and focus on the clients we had. We stopped pitching, waiting for the right Frog Client-who thinks big and whose products excite us-to come along. Clients looking for a paradigm shift, clients wanting to spark Cultural Movements, which we consider to be our DNA-our competitive edge.
Pitching leads to AOR relationships with clients. We are asked by clients to take on short-medium term assignments, which lead to more assignments and very good relationships with these clients. Over time, this has been a better model for us than entering into pitches every five minutes.
5. What does the agency of the future look like?
What is the agency model of the emerging new market? The better agency model must do three things:
It must have a new ideas culture, a new value culture, and a new talent culture.
The agency model of the future is built around the value of ideas. You might say there’s nothing new about this point. Our industry talks a lot about ideas. But at the same time, we have allowed the emphasis, the value, and the fundamental business model of our industry to shift away from ideas and to focus on execution. A lot of lip service is paid to the value of ideas, but agencies are often regarded more as executioners-suppliers-not as idea generators. In the future, suppliers will be valued less and squeezed more, while idea generators will be most valued-because they will create the greatest value across every industry sector, not just our own.
So the new agency model has to move the value of our industry away from execution and back to ideas. First, by demonstrating and standing up for the value of ideas. And second, by outsourcing execution. Now, by outsourcing execution, I DO NOT mean for a moment giving up responsibility for execution. It is very important that we STEWARD the process – and we do this flawlessly for some of the biggest advertisers in the world – but it is less important to feel we must execute everything and provide a full range of execution services “in-house.”
The often self-inflicted pressure on agencies to be able to claim, “We do absolutely everything,” is entirely counter-productive to a culture focusing on and celebrating the value of ideas.
Interestingly, outsourcing execution not only re-emphasizes the value of ideas; it also re-emphasizes the value of specialist executioners. Idea creators and idea implementers are both key.
We work with huge media partners and massive digital production companies, our “Fedex” of the execution marketplace. They are exceptionally valuable partners when it absolutely, positively has to be produced overnight, or over a vast geography, or managing a massive budget.
At StrawberryFrog, protecting a true “IdeasCulture” has always been our aim. We haven’t embraced this change for change’s sake, but in order to ensure new creativity and originality, as well as innovation and a hell of a lot of agility. We have always been about the value of great ideas, and outsourcing execution to media buying companies or major digital production organizations was a key part of our founding philosophy ten years ago.
At StrawberryFrog we have extraordinary talent in-house, but we also outsource into a unique network of talent in lots of areas of speciality and experiences. And after ten years, they are all over the world. Pulling these partners into the StrawberryFrog team gives us tremendous reach and power, innovation and dynamism, as well as some unconventional disciplines you wouldn’t find in your traditional agency-such as mobility crm capabilities and social media listening.
Not every client is ready for this – yet. It takes modern marketing management to understand the true value of this model vs the traditional legacy agency.
The StrawberryFrog model, developed ten years ago, was inspired by architectural partnerships and feature movie productions: the best available talent is assembled from all over for the duration of a project. It’s been perfected over the years through huge campaigns for major clients not inspired by the old agency model
6. What do marketers need that agencies are not giving them?
When clients call StrawberryFrog they are looking for results.
Strawberryfrog is, and I am pretty sure of this, the only advertising agency in decades to have invented a dramatically new business model. This model has proven that it can beat the competition in the four decisive areas, which already ruled trading in the Fertile Crescent 10,000 years ago and will probably stay with us for another while: better, faster, more innovative and more efficient.
7. Who do you admire and why?
I admire people who believe in themselves and their own ideas. I don’t believe the advertising systems of yesterday are the systems of tomorrow.
Most of all, I admire those clients who want something better and who align themselves with catalysts, challengers, and pirates who make change happen.
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Despite the doomsday headlines everywhere you look, and I mean everywhere; and despite advertising spending projected to decrease in 2009 across every category except cable TV and Internet, US advertisers will still spend 258 billion marketing dollars* this year. Divide that by the approximately 182,400 ad agency employees in the US and that’s about $1.4 million for every person currently working in advertising. I’ll say that again, 1.4 million dollars per person. Considering that those marketing dollars trickle into lots of other industries, that’s good news for everyone. This is an exercise that can be applied to any industry you’re in.
Granted, the above equation is purposely over simplified. I’m playing loose with the numbers but it’s really just to make a point. There is money to be made in advertising this year. There is money to be made in every industry this year. Everyone will be fighting a bit harder for their share of the pie, but your industry is not drying up and blowing away. Well, unless you’re a newspaper. And just to be fair, in an industry projected to have marketers spend $32 billion with them this year, that’s certainly not the death knell for newspapers either–a major shift, yes. A coffin, no. But that’s for another article.
It seems that every media outlet is running stories with comparisons to the depression and “worst since” scenarios. Every breaking news story highlights another round of layoffs or the latest group asking the government for a bailout. Not that we should bury our heads in the sand. There is real danger in ignoring trends. But there’s is significantly more harm in thinking every piece of bad news means something to your enterprise.
When money and markets tighten up, it’s an opportunity for those willing to make the most of a situation and see the chance instead of the challenge. Many competitors who don’t have the stomach for the fight will leave the party. As written in Advertising Age this week:
“Business runs in cycles. The recession means reduced consumption, but that creates pent-up demand that can help drive recovery. Marketers still in the game will have money to spend on advertising, promotion and other marketing programs. It will be up to media and non-media alternatives to make a play for those dollars.”
As my Grandfather used to say, “Keep your head down.” This is certainly the year to be listening to ghosts of the greatest generation whispering in our ears. They’ve been there. They lived through times much worse that these. And they prevailed and prospered. So can we.
The best way I’ve heard this said is to find out “who has your money in their pockets?” and more importantly, “how do you get it into your pocket?”**
That’s what 2009 is really about. The sky is not falling. We are not all in trouble. There is money to be made in your industry, whatever your industry. This is your year to find it.
* Data as reported in Advertising Age’s Annual 2009 (Dec 29, 2008)
**Guy Kawasaki The Art of the Start p.14