Today’s Ad Industry Innovator comes from New Marketing Labs, which you may know better if I tell you the name of its founder, Chris Brogan. Chris is the author of the NYT best seller Trust Agents and he’s in the top 3 on AdAge’s Power150. Being some of the most recognizable social media marketers, these guys have a nice niche. Awesome alliteration, ay?
It’s fun to profile a group like New Marketing Labs because they represent those specialists who have stepped in to challenge the traditional agency model and offer unique and much needed services to brands. Anyway, Hanes, Sony, Citrix, Comcast, Molson Coors, PepsiCo, AMD and Microsoft seem to think so.

This is not Brogan!
I spoke to New Marketing Labs’ General Manager, Justin Levy about what makes their firm stand out in the marketplace. Besides his many duties keeping everyone rowing in the same direction, he is the co-organizer of their Inbound Marketing Summit and Inbound Marketing Bootcamp. Prior to joining Brogan’s group Justin was Managing Director at an SEO public relations firm and President of Talent Network. His answer to question # 7 practically had me weeping. In all, it was a pleasure to get the perspective of such a well-rounded gent.
1. What was the aha moment when you realized “our company needs to be doing things differently than we have been”?
New Marketing Labs didn’t go through that period because we were founded to help medium and large businesses either figure out that aha moment or navigate their way through it . We assist our clients with using these online tools to move the needles that are important to them. We help them to enhance their communications, marketing, customer service and PR plans by using these new media tools to reach their prospects, customers and fans.
2. What books are on your nightstand or great blogs on your Google reader?
I am an avid reader and information junkie. At any given time I am subscribed to a few hundred RSS feeds, read a few books per month and read the Washington Post, Boston Globe, NY Times and Wall St. Journal on a daily basis. I love the consumption of information!
Right now I have about 15 books waiting to be read but I am currently reading the following books:
The Audacity to Win by David Plouffe
Six Pixels of Separation by Mitch Joel
The Back of the Napkin by Dan Roam
You’ll usually find me reading about marketing, business, lifestyle design, politics, productivity or food related books.
3. Give me an example of marketing you think is brilliant and why.
Dell has been doing an excellent job at using online tools to help them market to, learn from and listen to their prospects and customers. From generating $2 million dollars with just one of their Twitter accounts, to IdeaStorm, a website where Dell allows their customers to generate new ideas for the company and then vote those ideas up and down, to how Dell uses the listening and monitoring company, Radian6, to help them be involved in conversations taking place around the web. Dell has also done a great job at showing that they’re human. Dell uses both corporate accounts (e.g. DellLatitude) and personal Twitter accounts with their staff (e.g. RichardatDell). Using the employee name in the Twitter account helps to show the human side of the company and in turn, that makes stronger bonds with their customer base.
4. We’ve all read that the pitch / RFP process is broken. Many agencies aren’t even interested in competing in pitches. Do you see an alternative to this process?
The pitch/RFP process still serves a purpose in that it provides structure and the ability for the prospective client to walk down a check list to compare potential agencies who they’re interested in working with. Where the pitch and RFP process suffer is that they don’t usually showcase the human side of both the agency and prospective client. We have a natural tendency to want to do business with friends. Therefore, I think agencies need to take opportunities to develop relationships with the people who make up the corporations. Try being helpful to them in some way or connecting with them by sending a hand written note.
5. What does the agency of the future look like?
The agency of the future is more of a partner with the company that they’re working with instead of a typical agency/client relationship. The agency of the future will need to ensure that they’re delivering value to their clients and will need to provide hard data to quantify and prove that data. That’s not to suggest that agencies currently aren’t providing value to their clients. But, with budgets continuing to tighten, companies are looking at what hard value they’re receiving from their vendors and agencies. There is a difference in using new media tools that can provide hard data versus data that suggests that an approximate audience size probably saw your message.
6. What do marketers need that agencies are not giving them?
Marketers need data that will help show them the value of what they’re investing their time and budget in. Marketers need an agency that understands the complexities of their responsibilities, their department, their company and their industry and have the tools available to help navigate through it all. Marketers want agencies that provide education, both internally and externally to help them and their staff to grow.
7. Who do you admire and why?
I admire a variety of people from many different industries and for different reasons. If I had to choose one person though, I would choose my mom. Unfortunately my mother lost a long battle with Lupus during my senior year in high school. For the better part of my life my mother struggled to deal with a disabling disease. Lupus, as well as some other factors, closed many doors for my mom at an early age. Even while struggling with a disease that was constantly kicking her while she was down, she did everything in her power to see that her son, me, had everything I could ever need to help position me to be successful now. Whether it was hand-written math books to work on over the Summer, pressuring me to apply myself in school, teaching me how to deal with hardship at a young age, or any of the may other life lessons she taught me.
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Although they’re only on show #6 SocializingMedia has already had guests like George Neil, formerly of Apple and Motorola, now the CMO of Brunswick. Upcoming shows will feature thought leaders like Dawn Lacallade, formerly at Dell and now the Community Manager at Solar Winds.
I scheduled Steve’s interview to fall around the same time as Ant’s Eye View because seeing companies like ComBlu, Ant’s Eye View and Brains on Fire crop up next to one another you begin to realize the impact and scope that community engagement and consumer involvement has had on marketing today. The rules have changed and companies like ComBlu are early adopters in helping companies adapt to that change.
ComBlu’s specialty is creating community-based Word of Mouth programs by identifying customer evangelists and influencers, activating them (so they) impact loyalty and affinity and measuring that impact on sales, reputation or mission. ComBlu is all about ROI. The company has built and manages over 25 communities in 20 languages with over six million members.
What was the “aha” moment when you realized, “Our company needs to be doing things differently than we have been?”
About 7-8 years ago, we realized that there was a perfect storm that would be the catalyst for the way people sought information:
- Installed technology base and the emergence of social networkinng.
- Communications overload making it more appealing for people to ask their own trusted resources rather than search for information.
- The breakdown of trust in established institutions and channels; again a stimulus for people turning to each other for information instead of traditional sources.
This perfect storm was our “aha” moment. We knew we had methodologies to identify people with large social networks and who had a high level of influence within them. Because it was based on behaviors rather than traditional demographics, we realized we had lightning in a bottle. If our methodologies were properly applied, we could help companies find their best advocates and activate them as a powerful influence channel. We were way ahead of the marketplace, though.
What books are on your nightstand or great blogs on your Google reader?
- The Anatomy of Buzz Revisited by Emanuel Rosen, an update of a WOM classic
- All Consumers Are Not Created Equal by Garth Hallberg
- Guy Kawasaki: Short and sweet tidbits
- TechCrunch: A futurist’s playground
- Mashable: A quick overview of tools and techniques
- Web Strategy: Jeremiah Owyang blog—great insights into where social marketing is heading
- Groundswell: Forrester blog…lots of good stuff
- Conversation Agent: Interesting, longer pieces on a variety of content and conversation marketing topics
- Social Media Today: Good bullshit detector
Give me an example of marketing you think is brilliant and why.
- Liberty Mutual had done a great job. They started their “Do the Right Thing” positioning a few years ago and have evolved it now to include the Responsibility Project, which is a community that delves into ethics and societal behaviors. Quite interesting.
- Walmart’s current ad campaign is visually great and has highly resonant messaging for today’s economic times.
- UPS has a very engaging white board campaign and integrates it with online.
- Ford Fiesta has good integration of social and traditional media.
We’ve all read that the pitch/RFP process is broken. Many agencies aren’t even interested in competing in pitches. Do you see an alternative to this process?
Don’t wait until you need an agency to find one. Instead, build a community of really smart people who are your “advisory board.”
-Look to them for ideas and collaboration.
-“Cut” those who are territorial or afraid of offering up ideas because their competition might hear them. That does not cut it in today’s age of transparency and social collaboration. These people are more concerned with getting the largest share of the marketing wallet and not being part of a team focused on results and innovation.
When you need a specific project or ongoing counsel, build your own team from your community. An RFP is just a call to buy an existing team. Instead build a team of the best and the brightest who are equipped to collaborate. Match the team to the skills needed for the program.
What does the agency of the future look like?
McKinsey meets boutique:
Business acumen with executional excellence and agility.
Build shareholder value with measurable and sustainable results.
Bring influential stakeholders to the company; don’t bring the company to the marketplace.
Help companies socialize their workforce, their products and their stakeholder interactions across three nodes: Feedback, advocacy and support.
What do marketers need that agencies are not giving them?
A dashboard with teeth
Advocate activation
Customer engagement
Who do you admire and why?
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Ad Industry Innovator # 10 is GamePlan, an experiential marketing firm with offices in New York and Austin. It’s a special day for me because I got the guy who inspired the series and it’s kind of like having Buddy Rich on to talk about drumming.
Tim Hayden’s firm was my own personal a-ha moment. GamePlan proved to me that there were agencies out there who defied categorization and who were figuring out how to pull (rather than push) consumers and engage them effectively for marketers who wanted to participate in existing conversations. What they were doing was more than permission based marketing it was involvement marketing.
In one of our conversations Tim suggested we come to Austin to attend SXSW this past March, in fact, I believe he said: you need to be here– he was right. On the flight down the Southwest in flight magazine featured GamePlan in a story about how they were engaging audiences for marketers in ways traditional marketing had not been able to–and I learned a bit more about the unique position of GamePlan in the marketplace. While in Austin Tim and I had a chance to talk shop and I was convinced again, that his was a firm that was changing the game and what it means to be a marketer.
What was the aha moment when you realized “our company needs to be doing things differently than we have been?”
In 2006, Dell hired us to execute its sponsorship of Justin Timberlake’s FutureSexLoveSounds 2007 tour. We were to execute an integrated campaign that touched fans outside the arena (street teams + SMS), at an arena concourse demo kiosk and engage fans within the “Dell Lounge,” an SRO-only area surrounding the performance stage…all to drive traffic to an online sweepstakes.
We learned early in the tour to build more excitement by “upgrading” fans by giving those in the nosebleed seats a chance to sit down by the stage (Verizon held the radio-promo ticket “drop” rights), and then engaging fans online by tracking “Dell” tagged user-generated photos and video that could have only originated from mobile phone cameras (no cameras allowed per tour policy). Manually, we identified thousands of image uploads with tags such as, “Katy and me in the Dell Lounge with Justin,” and we were successful with near 60% of those we invited to experience http://www.delllounge.com.
While these tactics proved to us again that guerrilla tactics induce and amplify buzz around a brand during an event, also opened were our eyes to the coming potential of mobile technology and social media. A year later, we coined the “Live – Mobile – Online” engagement model as the key approach to driving offline experiences into online conversation, and vice versa.
What books are on your nightstand or great blogs on your Google reader?
My wife often starts that question with “when are you gonna read all of those…?” in the stack now are (good friend) Richard Laermer’s 2011: Trendspotting for the Next Decade, Sarah Lacy’s Once You’re Lucky, Twice You’re Good and Harlan Coben’s There Will be No Second Chance (my first Coben read sans Myron Bolitar, who has wasted many a day away with me on a beach on South Padre Island or in Tamarindo, Costa Rica). I also always have the latest editions of Inc., Men’s Journal and Conde Nast’s Portfolio in the queue (or lou-side, ahem).
As for blogs:
http://conversationagent.com/ – I’ve read Valeria every day for the past 18 months…the longest of any blogger.
http://www.chrisbrogan.com/ – I read his post through http://otherinbox.com or click the posts he relays through Twitter. Chris seems to post 1-3 times/day, and I always enjoy the way he reports his live experiences…proving live-mobile-online every day!
http://brainsonfire.com/blog/ – found it when tracking a stat that 90%+ of all WOM occurs OFFLINE. Since then, I check in at least 1-2X/week.
http://adomatica.blogspot.com/ – run by my buddy, Robert Gilbreath, who pulled off the Enfartico online stunt. There’s no better source for gossip/real scoop on the Austin ad world than can be found here.
Give me an example of marketing you think is brilliant and why.
I often talk with fellow marketers about “holistic” experiential/social marketing. Hands down, I see Southwest Airlines as the best example of a brand that holistically markets (and exudes) a brand experience.
At every audience touch point (website – ticket counter – gate – seat – pilot’s/crew’s voice and smile…) a positive attitude and engaging brand experience seems to be present. There is evidence of innovating that I experience each time I fly with them, because Southwest makes it a point to engage and educate each passenger on new developments, procedures and promotions that seem to be all about me, the passenger.
There is no other brand I’ve experienced that is as successful as Southwest with its culture and the warmth it delivers to a customer…and that’s the way it has been for more than 37 years. “Brilliant” is an understatement.
We’ve all read that the pitch / RFP process is broken. Many agencies aren’t even interested in competing in pitches. Do you see an alternative to this process?
Over the past three years, we have produced several “experimental” or “pilot” campaigns for brands combining events with mobile and social media. I believe that this is a new way to sell confidence within a client, including both new client business and organic new business from an existing client. Confidence is something we all must earn, and I do not believe we can redeem it with a sexy pitch or stating we have a certain experience or a global sphere of resources. Certainly it earns a few points to demonstrate a strong network and happy past clients…I just know that “proof of concept” will rule the foreseeable future.
What does the agency of the future look like?
The agency of the future will be smaller in size, enabling it to be more agile and more responsive to client needs that change near daily. And, for all I see BIG today as fallible, I also see challenges with the proliferation of the smaller, independent agency. I’m seeing a ton of “snake oil” being sold today across all media types (OOH, social, mobile, traditional…) and marketing services (SEO, SEM, direct mail…), and I don’t know how we might safeguard against wasted investments in such. Buyer beware…make us prove we can successfully execute that which we claim.
What do marketers need that agencies are not giving them?
I believe we must all see our service to clients as a partnership solution, no longer just as a program or campaign. For this solution to be successful, I see three requisite ingredients:
a. Accountability: It should never be about the agency portfolio or the stable of ADDYs behind the receptionist’s desk. Who cares if our peers judge us as “creative”? Are we putting measurable (and qualified?!) numbers up in terms of traffic and sales, and/or are we truly delivering a net-positive solution to the client? And, while executing this solution, are we ready to address the miscues and then switch gears to go an extra mile in ensuring the solution is ultimately successful?
b. Innovation: Even within an existing client, no two marketing challenges are the same. Agencies must acknowledge that they don’t have all the answers while learning about and incorporating advanced media, methodology and technology into each new solution. At GamePlan, we have never executed the same exact solution for a client more than once, and we constantly scrutinize new technology and media that may we identify as emerging in relevancy to online conversation and offline experiences
c. Collaboration: For too long, agencies have allowed (and embraced) “media” to define what channels can or cannot be leveraged to reach an audience. As engagement (the “impression” is dying, dying…dead) is now the ultimate goal of that reach, agencies must look beyond in-house competencies to engage and involve partners. If an agency has confidence built with a client, there is no reason why we cannot bring partners to the table as part of the total integrated solution…with disclosure and transparency being key.
Who do you admire and why?
My Grandad, Art Hayden, who is 93 years young this year, has survived polio, cancer and he can recall the names of/stories about every person he has ever met/place he has been here on Planet Earth. I can only hope to one day emulate his disposition, sense of humor and appreciation for life. Also, too many entrepreneurs to list. Mark Cuban: because he pursued his passion, basketball, became a successful technopreneur and…you know the rest of the story; Michael Dell, because building computers in his dorm room bathroom is a beautiful story of hope; and too many more who’ve Sinatra-like “done it [their] way.”
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